Marvin Shilmer

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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Its a great thing to be a part of this community

  Yes it is. Including the Fred Ziffels. If nothing else, entertainment abounds!
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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  If I sent you a PM, would you publish it without my permission?

  I might and I might not depending on multiple factors. As I've said before in this discussion, I've published many PMs sent to me.

  When I send someone a personal letter or PM I've GIVEN something to that person. Read: IT IS THEIRS.

  If I hold a preference of what should or should not be done with this gift then I should state that. Otherwise (OTHERWISE!!!) I've given something to another person based on trust of that person's moral and ethical standards to do with as they please because IT IS THEIRS; I GAVE IT to them. I gave it to them on trust based on THEIR moral and ethical standards. If, based on my standards, I later decide I misplaced trust then I cease trusting that person.

  This is said from an ethical perspective and not a legal one, though these two perspectives often overlap.

  As I said already, If you think _Morpheus betrayed you then my recommendation is that you don't trust him anymore. At this point all you're doing in this discussion is showing the south side of a north bound horse.
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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  In my opinion, neither can you be trusted to arbitrate with any objectivity whatsoever anything relating to privacy in connection with the WTS.

  I've read enough of your postings here to have this opinion: I don't care if you trust or do not trust me to arbitrate anything. And, if it matters at all, it is comical that you ascribe arbitration to what I've shared.

  There are 2 issues, broadcasting my PM and making fun of my screen name.

  I believe the PM at issue is in _Morpheus inbox. Not yours. If you did or did not want him to do something with what you gave to him then you should have told him so. Did you? If not, then he only did what he did with what was his to do with. If you think he betrayed you then my recommendation is that you don't trust him anymore.

  Making fun of your screen name? Just a tab bit childish for you to give this the time of day. My pen name gets trashed all the time. What should I do? Cry about it as though that deserves my time?

  I have defeated Morpheus in debates ...

  When we declare victory for ourself in debates we find ourself in a pitiful place.

  Morpheus has done this jeeringly and he himself has stated that his reasons are retaliatory.

  And you've done less? Look in the mirror if you want to find a jeering retaliating individual.
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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Marvin, i totally understand your point, as i do everyone elses, but i feel zero regret.

  And, at this point, I don't see any reason for you to feel regret.

  I'll add that there is an argument that if someone entrusts something to us they are also entrusting us to do with it as we see fit unless told otherwise. Folks do this with personal letters all the time. A letter given to me by another is then my letter. Unless the sender states a condition of what can or cannot be done with that letter then ethically and morally I don't have an issue with acting responsibly with that letter based on my own ethical and moral standards, which is what the sender extended trusted over in the first place.

  In this case it appears to me you acted responsible with what was given to you. Then the sender does, in my opinion, overreact as though you've broken a trust. Unless Fisherman asked that you not share his PM to you then I don't see an issue worth complaining about in this instance.
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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I've been sent PMs on occasion where questions are posed to me and I choose to answer them publicly. I've not included the sender's identity on these occasions because sometime folks have ideas of what they consider private that differ from my own. For some individuals (and Fisherman appears to be among these) it is considered private that they even asked a question or questions regardless of how mundane. I don't know why this is the case, but here we have an instance of an individual who's sole objection is that it is made known that they are the one who asked the rather innocuous questions that _Morpheus opted to answer publicly.
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  Jw's featured in the mags who later left?

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was just wondering if any of those jw's who got their story told or featured as "a fine example" in the publications, if they ever left the org later?

  i mean i know regular jw's would probably never hear about it but i thought maybe you guys might?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Here's one:

  What happened to — Rami Oved
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  Is Watchtower imploding? 10 reasons why the end could be nigh

  by WildeLover in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/is-watchtower-imploding-10-reasons-why-the-end-could-be-nigh.

  i dont know how to hyperlink the link above,.

  it's a link to an article by cedars on the possibility of the wt imploding?.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  The Watchtower organization has lots of old money in the form of massive assets, including huge cash reserves.

  Lately it has concocted novel ways of multiplying its overall assets, including enormous amounts of new cash and new cash flow. In the real world we all live in, lots of capital makes a corporation stronger. Watchtower is becoming stronger financially.

  Watchtower's leadership does not give one hoot about doctrine. It's new mode of strengthening itself is to alter how it rakes in financial assets. That's the new light! That's Watchtower's new religious movement.
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  What are the costs of literature cart witnessing?

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the article on the guardian ( http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/14/jehovahs-witnesses-evangelism-church-god-armageddon ) mentioned in another thread, there's this quote of mark omalley, who is assigned to the public information desk at the jehovahs witness uk centre in north london.

  we now have more than 165,000 [literature] carts on the streets in over 50 countries.

  it gives us visibility and availability.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  The cost of these things must be far, far less than the enormous fuel cost to publishers for driving around in oil-burners. In my case, I could have paid for one of these set-ups and easily saved my household 2,000 dollars (US) annually.

  So what's the difference? I know who got the thousands of fuel dollars annually. The guy who owns the local pumping station! Who gets the revenue for the do-nothing cart-setups? I have no idea. But the "time" is a lot easier. You just stand there and do nothing!
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  Transcription of interview with Rabbi Michael Berenbaum regarding German JW's in the concentration camps

  by Saintbertholdt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a while ago i transcribed a video interview with rabbi michael berenbaum from the university of judaism.

  the interview concerns jehovah's witnesses during the second world war in the german concentration camp system.

  berenbaum is a historian and specifically researches jehovah's witnesses during the shoah and also the idea of martyrdom.

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  Renunciation Document Under Nazi Germany
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  A WT "prophecy" that finally came true?

  by eyeuse2badub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at long last, after 140 years of failed prophecies, it appears that the borg finally got one right!

  recall the odd little article published back in the november 15th, 2013 wt about the 7 shepherds 8 dukes (anti-type) and the evil assyrian (anti-type) and some silly nonsense about the assyrians attack on the vulnerable wtbts.

  page 20 paragraph 17 of that strange article contained this foreboding prophecy from the faithful and discreet slave, (anti-type);.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Watchtower's 1958 illustrated prediction that actually came true: The Urge — Watchtower’s ironic prediction